Comments on: New Xbox360 Disc Protections? Bans to follow?

By: Danthaman

Danthaman — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:41:55 +0000

Sorry to revive the issue but, Xorloser I was wondering if you have re-visted this ‘issue’ snce the Xmas bannings? Do you think they were perhaps a direct result of silent implementation of DVD-XGD2.5 and that current users of LT are fooling themselves if they think they wont be flagged to banned next Xmas?? Or do you think it’s possible C4eva has been monitoring Nand/live originated challenges and has these responses coded into LT (I see only vague mentions of ‘checks found’ in his latest update)

PS: Everyone should be able to implement their right make backups of their own originals. -Sorry but I had to comment-

By: Umbra

Umbra — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:14:09 +0000

Very interesting stuff here First of i only have a clean xbox no hacked stuff but i find the reading very interesting.

To those that rant about that its wrong and that this kind of info promotes piracy. Dont you think that these bloggs and sites are monitored bu the companys ?? So this info actualy help companys like MS to make there systems even more secure So in the end its a “win/win” situation for everyone.

Us(That are generaly interested) – Have something to read
Pitates – Can play backup games
MS – Can make the box more secure

So keep the info coming

By: xorloser

xorloser — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:40:23 +0000

It is signed by Microsoft so you cannot alter it. Perhaps you can replace it with a different signed console id from another xbox however.

By: northernmods

northernmods — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:07:06 +0000

can i change a console id?

By: Madhakin

Madhakin — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:43:58 +0000

is their anyway to downgrade to a older dash?kernel? i read something about either soldering a resistor or the mb .. or putting some solder on it somwere.. cant find it now .. lol …

been playing my burnt copy of halo 3 mythic(odst disc 2) since before it came out… on line… every day… till today….

seen all this info.. and not gonna risk the hammer till the new fw comes out… wanted to take a few banned machines and mess with them though..

they are real cheap now

also .. heard you can reprogram the flash .. or nand chip somehow to replace “keyvault” file from clean box(no video or no audio boxes now have a use). .. and get back onto live… anyway… you guys rock..

thanks for taking time to help (sarcasm)HORRIBLE(sarcasM) hackers like me …

FREE THE WORLD>.. FREE INFORMATION

By: Anon

Anon — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:00:36 +0000

I would ask you this then Xorloser..

If this data can not be written, then can it not be read from somewhere else? Of course it can, but I guess the rub is a “practical” way. Couldn’t a modchip of some sort, with some memory on it, intercept the challenges and return the correct value from it’s own memory? Obviously this would be kind of tiresome, having to constantly update the memory based on what game you are playing (if it could not hold all the challenge information; I don’t know how large it is), but I wonder if a direct connection could not be established between say an external hard drive or something of the type and the chip that would preload the correct responses before the game itself is booted. Or if sent dynamically over LIVE, grabbed straight from the mobo?

I was wondering your thoughts on this; I am very interested in this kind of thing

By: s33n

s33n — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:57:00 +0000

One thing I am left wondering is how can such a disk be possible. What I mean by this is if there are no specified pairs, then how will the disk “verify” a check for these hidden checks?

By: xorloser

xorloser — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:56:14 +0000

It is a combinaion of two things:

1) There is data in areas of the disc that are you cannot write to on a blank burnable disc.

2) There is data that you cannot write with a burner

By: Andrzej

Andrzej — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:36 +0000

“all the missing data from the “many many sectors” would have to be stored somwehere that the disc can access it.”
So why not just store it? Does the original disc have larger capacity than the dual layer dvd copies? Or is reading of this “missing information” problematic?

By: xorloser

xorloser — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:59:13 +0000

“So I wonder – why can’t the hacked drive do the same”

Because the copied disc is lacking the information required to perform these checks. The missing information is over many many sectors, and the checks can be done over any range of sectors, so in order for a hacked firmware to be able to replicaet these checks, all the missing data from the “many many sectors” would have to be stored somwehere that the disc can access it.